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		<title>By: efg</title>
		<link>http://kansasmeadowlark.com/2008/08/18/will-we-have-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>efg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem encouraging conservation.  After the elections, let&#039;s see if there is new leadership in the legislature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem encouraging conservation.  After the elections, let&#8217;s see if there is new leadership in the legislature.</p>
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		<title>By: kansas_resident</title>
		<link>http://kansasmeadowlark.com/2008/08/18/will-we-have-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-82</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. efg,

  I seem to remember reading that Gov S. had a compromise bill that would have allowed &#039;1&#039; coal plant to be built.  That was not enough for the Republicans ... they were the ones that were killing new coal plants.  And of course they tied in some other bills [ intermodal facility in Gardner - help me understand the relationship  between coal plants in western part of Kansas and a transportation hub 300 miles away ... Oh I get it -  its political blackmail.  Luckily for us ... it was transparent enough.

Now we don&#039;t have &#039;1&#039; coal plant ( even though carbon sequestering via algae is non-sense ) and we don&#039;t have a transportation hub.  Wow, what kind of compromise did the Republican &quot;leadership&quot; give us on that one ?
There is a farmer in Texas who leases his land for wind towers - he gets a couple of  thousand dollars per acre/tower(I don&#039;t remember exact amount so I wont quote it and risk it being wrong ).  How  much do our farmers get ?

I would like to put solar panels on my house - I have a great unobstructed southeast, south, southwest solar  path. The problem is I would generate electricity during the day while I am gone and not able to  use it.  Wouln&#039;t it be nice if Republican &quot;leadership&quot; allowed net-metering so I could sell it back during high demand days and buy it back at night ?

The only way utilities in Kansas can make money (  this one really seems wrongly designed ) is to sell more power.  If somehow KCPL found a way for everyone to use 15% less power ... they would earn 15% less.  The ability for them to financially encourage conservation is absent by law.  Wouldn&#039;t it  be nice if our  Republican leadership encouraged conservation and allowed our  utility companies to help us _AND_ make money while doing  so. Otherwise there is zero incentive for them to do so. 

There were more topics this past year than coal.  Sure wouldn&#039;t know it  from our  leadership. And for what  it is worth a number of Republican legislators agreed, it wasn&#039;t straight party line R/D voting.  There is a reason we think Republican leadership is obstructionist .  They are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. efg,</p>
<p>  I seem to remember reading that Gov S. had a compromise bill that would have allowed &#8216;1&#8242; coal plant to be built.  That was not enough for the Republicans &#8230; they were the ones that were killing new coal plants.  And of course they tied in some other bills [ intermodal facility in Gardner &#8211; help me understand the relationship  between coal plants in western part of Kansas and a transportation hub 300 miles away &#8230; Oh I get it &#8211;  its political blackmail.  Luckily for us &#8230; it was transparent enough.</p>
<p>Now we don&#8217;t have &#8216;1&#8242; coal plant ( even though carbon sequestering via algae is non-sense ) and we don&#8217;t have a transportation hub.  Wow, what kind of compromise did the Republican &#8220;leadership&#8221; give us on that one ?<br />
There is a farmer in Texas who leases his land for wind towers &#8211; he gets a couple of  thousand dollars per acre/tower(I don&#8217;t remember exact amount so I wont quote it and risk it being wrong ).  How  much do our farmers get ?</p>
<p>I would like to put solar panels on my house &#8211; I have a great unobstructed southeast, south, southwest solar  path. The problem is I would generate electricity during the day while I am gone and not able to  use it.  Wouln&#8217;t it be nice if Republican &#8220;leadership&#8221; allowed net-metering so I could sell it back during high demand days and buy it back at night ?</p>
<p>The only way utilities in Kansas can make money (  this one really seems wrongly designed ) is to sell more power.  If somehow KCPL found a way for everyone to use 15% less power &#8230; they would earn 15% less.  The ability for them to financially encourage conservation is absent by law.  Wouldn&#8217;t it  be nice if our  Republican leadership encouraged conservation and allowed our  utility companies to help us _AND_ make money while doing  so. Otherwise there is zero incentive for them to do so. </p>
<p>There were more topics this past year than coal.  Sure wouldn&#8217;t know it  from our  leadership. And for what  it is worth a number of Republican legislators agreed, it wasn&#8217;t straight party line R/D voting.  There is a reason we think Republican leadership is obstructionist .  They are.</p>
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		<title>By: efg</title>
		<link>http://kansasmeadowlark.com/2008/08/18/will-we-have-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-77</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chastised yes, ridiculed no.  Why should I tolerate multiple, rambling postings, often not related to the posted article, from a taxpayer-funded government computer?  The comments I made to sasnak on July 30th were appropriate.  The comments were about multiple postings, not just the one.  Besides, posting comments here is a privilege.  Why is some respect too much to ask?

Bobwhitenks, you seem to be wordsmithing my article when there is little difference in the choice of words.  You seem to want me to say “Sebelius opposed new coal power” instead of “Sebelius killed new coal power’ in Kansas.  What’s the difference?  Are new coal power plants being built today in Kansas?  What was the effect of Sebelius’s THREE vetoes?  Didn’t these vetoes “kill” new coal power in Kansas?

Your “evidence” is that Gov. Sebelius played politics with Kansas energy policy and had the political clout to impose her decision?

Sebelius’ appointee, Rod Bremby, just made up new regulations.  Why was Sebelius afraid of legislative approval for new regulations? 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/may/17/sebelius_vetoes_third_bill_allowing_coalfired_plan/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sebelius vetoes third bill allowing coal-fired plants&lt;/a&gt;, May 17, 2008

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;The three bills Sebelius vetoed would have limited the secretary of health and environment’s power to impose new air-quality standards without legislative approval.

The measures also would have prevented him from using his emergency power to protect public health and the environment to deny permits. Bremby cited that power in rejecting Sunflower’s permit.

“The issue for me has always been whether or not the rule of law will apply in the state of Kansas or whether a politically appointed bureaucrat will be allowed to whimsically change the law,” said Emler, who’s also an attorney&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Bobwhitenks, where are your facts and logic that changing reliable power (natural gas) to renewable (wind) will not exacerbate the possibility of power brown-outs or black-outs?

We need new reliable coal power AND new renewable wind power.  Not one or the other like Sebelius is pushing.

For what it&#039;s worth, I was one of the co-authors of this 1979 study, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=5745648&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wind energy applications in agriculture&lt;/a&gt;.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chastised yes, ridiculed no.  Why should I tolerate multiple, rambling postings, often not related to the posted article, from a taxpayer-funded government computer?  The comments I made to sasnak on July 30th were appropriate.  The comments were about multiple postings, not just the one.  Besides, posting comments here is a privilege.  Why is some respect too much to ask?</p>
<p>Bobwhitenks, you seem to be wordsmithing my article when there is little difference in the choice of words.  You seem to want me to say “Sebelius opposed new coal power” instead of “Sebelius killed new coal power’ in Kansas.  What’s the difference?  Are new coal power plants being built today in Kansas?  What was the effect of Sebelius’s THREE vetoes?  Didn’t these vetoes “kill” new coal power in Kansas?</p>
<p>Your “evidence” is that Gov. Sebelius played politics with Kansas energy policy and had the political clout to impose her decision?</p>
<p>Sebelius’ appointee, Rod Bremby, just made up new regulations.  Why was Sebelius afraid of legislative approval for new regulations? </p>
<p><a href="http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/may/17/sebelius_vetoes_third_bill_allowing_coalfired_plan/" rel="nofollow">Sebelius vetoes third bill allowing coal-fired plants</a>, May 17, 2008</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The three bills Sebelius vetoed would have limited the secretary of health and environment’s power to impose new air-quality standards without legislative approval.</p>
<p>The measures also would have prevented him from using his emergency power to protect public health and the environment to deny permits. Bremby cited that power in rejecting Sunflower’s permit.</p>
<p>“The issue for me has always been whether or not the rule of law will apply in the state of Kansas or whether a politically appointed bureaucrat will be allowed to whimsically change the law,” said Emler, who’s also an attorney</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bobwhitenks, where are your facts and logic that changing reliable power (natural gas) to renewable (wind) will not exacerbate the possibility of power brown-outs or black-outs?</p>
<p>We need new reliable coal power AND new renewable wind power.  Not one or the other like Sebelius is pushing.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I was one of the co-authors of this 1979 study, <a href="http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=5745648" rel="nofollow">Wind energy applications in agriculture</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: bobwhitenks</title>
		<link>http://kansasmeadowlark.com/2008/08/18/will-we-have-electricity/comment-page-1/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>bobwhitenks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Within the last week or two, you chastised and ridiculed an individual who commented on one of your posts.  You took the individual to task for not citing evidence or research for his opinion.
  Today, you offered the following, ‘Gov. Sebelius’ energy policy is focused on promoting wind power and killing coal power?  Now, your opinion sites no evidence or research to support an opinion which is totally contrary to the Governors’ actions and statements.  Actually the evidence shows that the Governor made repeated attempts to find common ground with which to go forward with a substantial part of Sunflowers’ application.  It was the Republican legislative leadership who insisted upon “their way or no way!”
  And, while out of character for the Republican Party in Kansas, you as an individual need to follow your own advice.  Be completely truthful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Within the last week or two, you chastised and ridiculed an individual who commented on one of your posts.  You took the individual to task for not citing evidence or research for his opinion.<br />
  Today, you offered the following, ‘Gov. Sebelius’ energy policy is focused on promoting wind power and killing coal power?  Now, your opinion sites no evidence or research to support an opinion which is totally contrary to the Governors’ actions and statements.  Actually the evidence shows that the Governor made repeated attempts to find common ground with which to go forward with a substantial part of Sunflowers’ application.  It was the Republican legislative leadership who insisted upon “their way or no way!”<br />
  And, while out of character for the Republican Party in Kansas, you as an individual need to follow your own advice.  Be completely truthful!</p>
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